Kingdom Building: Entrepreneurship with Christiaan and Adrienne Ruff

This is the first episode of a new series focusing on Kingdom Building. We will have interviews from emerging voices in multiple arenas. 

This week, we start with entrepreneurship. 

A rest stop. A sudden pull to help strangers. A chain reaction that starts with hitchhikers and ends with a rebuilt life. Sitting down with Christiaan and Adrienne, we trace the “divine appointments” that brought them to West Virginia, into a strong community, and into a season of explosive growth as entrepreneurs, even after years marked by addiction, anger, and feeling trapped. If you care about entrepreneurship, business, and the real inner work behind results, this one goes straight to the root.  

We get practical about consistency and momentum: why the small task you can do today matters more than the giant outcome you keep daydreaming about, how order in your home and habits supports stewardship and wealth, and why chasing “the big thing” often wakes up a life you do not actually want to live. Then we push into mindset and spiritual formation, including a blunt take on doubt and imposter syndrome, and how taking action in faith becomes the antidote to stagnation.  

The conversation also wrestles with leadership: losing people, misaligned expectations, and the temptation toward codependency in teams and church culture. 

Christiaan shares the breakthrough that changed everything for him, not a new tactic but forgiveness, specifically confronting resentment toward parents and dropping judgment.

 Adrienne adds what rarely gets said out loud: the relational cost, late nights, marriage strain, and the choice to fight for quality connection with your spouse and kids while building something that lasts.  

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Transcript

Episode Setup And Guests

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Go with the flow.

SPEAKER_03 0:01

Go with the flow. Alright, so I'm here with Christian and Adrienne. And they are entrepreneurs and own a business. And so I was writing out questions, which I don't usually do.

SPEAKER_00 0:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 0:15

And I'm not even in the shot. You're not even in the shop. I'm not even in the shot.

SPEAKER_00 0:19

Um get in the shot, Gina.

SPEAKER_03 0:22

There we go. You can tell I have a bubble, you know.

SPEAKER_00 0:27

But that's again you wrote some questions down.

SPEAKER_03 0:29

I did, I did. And so I wrote all these things down, and then I went back and added one thing to the beginning because I think you have such an amazing story about divine appointments.

SPEAKER_00 0:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 0:42

And how even you met the people that you met that ended up bringing you to the place where you are.

SPEAKER_00 0:50

Exactly, which is West Virginia.

SPEAKER_03 0:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Yeah, it's crazy. Do you want me to tell the story?

SPEAKER_03 0:54

I would love that if you've got. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

So yeah, a lot of divine appointments. Um that specific story for those who have not heard it, it's a because we're here in West Virginia now. Um basically I was I think

Hitchhikers And A Divine Turning Point

SPEAKER_00 1:15

it was 2017.

SPEAKER_05 1:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17

So, and it's crazy because so much time like my brain is kind of like just seeing all the moments and the connections. Which you'll be able to, you can like the Holy Spirit should be able to highlight that for everybody. Oh yeah. You should be able to see a like a whole. I remember I had this dream one time, and I was like, it was basically like I woke up knowing that like it wasn't a linear point from A to B. It was this. But it couldn't, it it had to be this.

SPEAKER_02 1:48

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

I was like, oh my god, it had to be like this to get to here. It was not there.

SPEAKER_02 1:54

Right. It had to be a bowl of spaghetti.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

Yeah, it was like a bowl, and it was like one of those dreams where you're like, oh my gosh, like it was just you just know.

SPEAKER_05 2:01

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

But so this specific story, I'm driving, you know, I'm at this point I'm on Adderall. I'm completely like well, I'm not completely dependent on it, but I'm addicted to, you know, Adderall, which is a cousin of methamphetamine. So I'm not feeling great. I'm like 130 pounds. And I'm I'm doing a lot of like weird stuff. I'm just doing stuff for my parents. I'm like in my I'm like 26. You know, um, so I'm I I was in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, dropping my brother off to get a truck, which is part of our our fleet company now, which is a whole different, like just a whole different layer. A whole different layer of how God, you know, works in our realm. Because there's stuff that matters in our realm, like things he does for a reason.

SPEAKER_01 2:46

No, that's right.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

Otherwise, I mean we're we're try we're taking ground, you know. Like and it it happens through actions and different things. So you gotta trust that plan. But anyways, I'm driving back from Pennsylvania and come to find out, Tamarack, West Virginia, that used to be my grandpa's favorite rest stop.

SPEAKER_03 3:04

That's so fun.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

Yeah, like m my grandpa, my dad's dad. We'd always spend a lot of time there. Anyways, I'm driving by and I'm like compelled. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna stop and get a uh get whatever you need to get. Yeah, but I I was like, I'm gonna get a coffee or something. But these hitchhikers are there and they're like, you know, we're doing we're going on this. They're basically the whole sign saying we're hitchhiking, and for some reason I was like, I'm I felt compelled. I'm like, I'm pulling down cigarettes, like just looking at them. But I was feeling that strong urge, which you know.

SPEAKER_05 3:35

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

There's a big difference between when you're like, I'm gonna do it myself, and then you feel like compelled. Anyways, I approached them, I'm like, I'm gonna drive you guys down I-77 South Towards, you know, the East Coast, whatever. And they're like, okay, great. And then in the car they start to tell me all this stuff that's happening. You know, where it's like God gave them this dream. It was imperative that they hitchhike. That's where I connected with them. Yeah, it's crazy. Um, and that's what connected me to 420 fire, but I didn't, so I start following Scott. I'm in this um basically fallen state. I'm not in this healthy, I'm in an angry.

SPEAKER_03 4:14

But they were they were hitchhiking to get to 425.

SPEAKER_00 4:17

They were hitchhiking to get to 425. We get to Canapolis, North Carolina, which is two hours from where I live in Durham, uh-huh, and the gates closed. You know, and the whole time they're playing like Line of the Tribe of Judah. It's like the side of the God or like the evangelical world I really had not touched.

SPEAKER_05 4:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

But God, like the Holy Spirit touched me, and I had all these like fantasies. Because it was mixed with so I was like in this like weird like fantasy realm where it's like, okay, I'm gonna have like this family and I'm gonna create all this stuff and we're gonna make like it was just this weird, but it was mixed with chemical abuse, it was mixed with like how do I channel this? So they're introducing me to this whole like evangelical, which I was like, this is weird, and to this day I'm kinda like I'm not that person. But I'm totally involved in it. Yeah, and but I I really am weird in that way, too. So they're so we drive to 425, the gate's closed. I'm like, I can't leave you outside the gate. So I drive them to the Southwestern Army. Yeah, it was two in the morning. Oh wow, it was November 2 or 3 in the morning. I remember because I was so skinny. I was 120, 30 pounds. I was freezing cold. I had to like have the heat blowing all around.

SPEAKER_02 5:29

I was like a freaking And he's a human radiator now.

SPEAKER_00 5:33

It's amazing how like your physical state is a really a reflection of what's going on spiritually. It really is. So you can like when you get around people, they get healthier when God is so um we drive to the Salvation Army and Terry Burris is there.

SPEAKER_03 5:50

That's wild.

SPEAKER_00 5:51

That's who answers the door.

SPEAKER_03 5:52

Yeah. So that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 5:54

Yeah, and they go next day. I think Brad was coming into town.

SPEAKER_05 5:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:58

Or whoever, but Scott tells him Christian, this guy, and he immediately gives that verse, 2 Corinthians 2 14. Thanks be to God who leads us as captives in Christ's triumph of precession, using it to spread the aroma and the knowledge of him everywhere we go. That was the first time I had touched like specific prophetic stuff. And that so I mean that that can be good and bad, yeah, honestly, because you get kind of the first time you experience that, you're gonna want to get attached to the person who that say that again. Yeah, you're you're gonna the first time somebody touches your baby or whatever, you're like, how do you know this? Right, you're gonna want to get attached to them. And if that is a person is not healthy character person, it can cause a real toxic relationship. Thank God it was Scott and Ari.

SPEAKER_05 6:43

Right.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

Because he's he's his own man, he's his own person, he's he's never led me wrong in any area that needs to be.

SPEAKER_03 6:48

And so he wasn't gonna let you attach yourself in an unhealthy way.

SPEAKER_00 6:52

It genuinely was from the God. Yeah. Yeah, he didn't mismanage that word, but that was the first time I had touched that, so I was like, oh, this is unique.

unknown 6:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

I'm a certain then I started um uh basically um just following him on social media, which is a good thing he posted on social media. That's how I was able to develop, like, yeah, through that time. And then it came time for God basically had me delayed in North Carolina till I f I completed one assignment. And I can tell you what that is. That's a big shift in my life. Once I did that two weeks later, I moved right to the family.

SPEAKER_02 7:27

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 7:28

Yeah, and everything falls into place. I met Adrian, my wife.

SPEAKER_02 7:33

I It was literally the end of October. I fall right into a family. And it's just like a nurturing. I come back and then we meet like the following weekend.

SPEAKER_00 7:41

Yeah, it's it was kind of crazy because it was like I I remember my dad being like, he's like, you're just like everybody else, kind of from his like fatherly position, like kind of down on your luck. You look around the people like, why are they down on their luck? They're not, they're stuck, they're trapped. That's the thing. I was trapped just like everybody else in the world who's down on things are just not working out, and I somehow busted out of that, and then now it's like something has happened in your life, something's going on, right? And it's not happening from me.

SPEAKER_05 8:09

Right.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

That's the crazy part. It's not, it's happening to me. It's like it was already there, and I'm now in alignment with this stuff. And so 425 was huge in that, and also my parents' church. I went back to Grace Church for five years, and my pastor took me in. So people who are Christians and they're trying to like follow their calling and their purpose, I promise you it's gonna involve an involvement with the church.

SPEAKER_05 8:32

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:33

Either a some level of coming to church, getting because that's what as soon as I got into 425, it was like everybody had a little peace for me. Yeah, I was just like eating. I was like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 8:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:45

And then I just grew. Like I remember literally, I was in a child small petite sweater. And then and one day we'd ripped that off at the gym, and I literally gained like 50 pounds.

SPEAKER_03 8:54

That's so fun.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

Freddie Clark was like, is that a or oh, somebody, somebody came back, it was like Scott, he's like, is that a child small? We were like, yeah, it is. Like, it was like I was in the stripper's trap. We just ripped it off. It was like a sacred moment.

SPEAKER_03 9:08

Oh, that's so good.

SPEAKER_00 9:09

Yeah, but it was all these men around me, Ronnie, Scott, Freddie, and I was just like this shrimp that had been and then I just boom developed into it. But yeah, there was that was a crazy story. And now we're here in West Virginia with a business having moved here against all odds, and the business just blew up.

SPEAKER_05 9:27

Right.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

So I've had a track record of following God from like tw 2017 from that rest stop, hearing God, and then boom, and then boom, and then boom, and it starts to culminate to where you're like, whoa, right, he can trust you with real well, and that that speaks to obedience and how important it is, like in because in that moment you didn't know that this would come from that. No. You just it's like the domino. They ask like, how did this big old domino fall? And you're like, Well, let me there was this tiny domino back here that just and it was No, that's that's so good. I think imagine trying to push over a big result.

SPEAKER_03 10:04

I think that that's where people fall into ditches, is is that they're looking for the big.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

Yeah, it's a little, it's the faith of a mustard seed. That's what he meant. It's just that one first domino, you get that one knocked. But people don't want to knock, they were like, but I want the big one. Right. And you're like, it'll crush you. Like you can't go push, you need an army.

SPEAKER_03 10:26

No, that that's true.

SPEAKER_00 10:27

But what can you put what can you do today?

SPEAKER_03 10:29

Right. No, that uh I think that's that's really good. What can you do today?

SPEAKER_00 10:33

What can you do today?

SPEAKER_03 10:34

Well, and that kind of you know leads into my my second question. Uh I was really kind of uh thinking about motivation versus inspiration, or if I could say just consistency versus stagnicity.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:48

Like and and finding that thing that you've got to do today.

Tiny Dominoes And Daily Consistency

SPEAKER_03 10:53

Doing it when you don't feel like doing it. So, like, what have you found that helps you with that?

SPEAKER_00 11:01

Um, yeah, I mean there's like this thing with the procrastination thing.

SPEAKER_05 11:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:08

With the like getting in your head thing with the it's kind of tied into the results thing. I basically boiled it down. It's not like an ADHD thing, but there's gonna be some things that you like to do.

SPEAKER_05 11:20

Right.

SPEAKER_00 11:20

And if you kind of just it's like a gold thing. For me, it was actually cleaning. I liked or and I from a kid I liked in organized faces. You still do, but I fought so hard because there was so much clutter, there was so much chaos. It was like the chaos of what other people wanted me to do. The chaos of of what religion had taught me. All this, so I just had it was like a battle, just a fight to get back to the homostasis. Chaos of debt. You know, you get Oh yeah. You get going in your life and you end up like, I didn't even create any of these results for myself. So I ended up finding I intrinsically I started to enjoy cleaning stuff.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:01

And I would find myself yet organizing spaces.

SPEAKER_02 12:03

You still do, honey.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

And I think that's why the wealth journey for me started to develop. There is no money without order. So I was seeking the order, just that's like you talk about the kingdom. There is order. Nothing happens without order. So if you go into somebody's home and they're cluttery and they're chaotic, I'm not saying somebody with a nitpick, no dust, is gonna have peace and joy in their home. I'm just saying there's gonna be order. So I would say um do what you see to do today.

SPEAKER_03 12:33

That's good.

SPEAKER_00 12:33

You know, I just do what you see to do. You already know what it is, you know.

SPEAKER_03 12:38

Like just wash the dishes.

SPEAKER_00 12:39

Boom.

SPEAKER_03 12:40

Right. Like I I have had so many amazing encounters and revelations from the Lord, like washing the dishes.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

You know, and it's right there. It's not complicated.

SPEAKER_03 12:49

No, and sometimes, you know, to your point, I think sometimes we we get our focus again on the big thing, and it just helps to kind of decompress and do something a mindless task. Yeah, you know, so that we can recenter and and just accomplish things again.

SPEAKER_00 13:04

Yeah, and a lot when you chase the big things, a lot comes to life that you don't want to live. When you chase the little things, there's gonna be a death, and then there's gonna be a life from the death.

SPEAKER_03 13:18

That's good.

SPEAKER_00 13:19

Which you're gonna start to like feed off that. So if I chase the big, I wake up and I don't want to do my quiet time. I'm chasing the big things, I'm chasing fixing everything during the day. But now that's gonna end, that would actually be sin. That's gonna end in death. Some form of death that's gonna cause money loss, it's gonna cause relational loss, there's gonna be casualty from it. But if I and this it goes on throughout our whole lives, that's like something I'm specifically working on.

SPEAKER_03 13:46

That's good.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

Like, how do you like how do I I gotta keep myself from just jumping right into the day?

SPEAKER_02 13:51

You gotta balance yourself out.

SPEAKER_00 13:52

Yeah, and there's a death there. So there's gonna be uh basically my identity is changing, and it to your brain and to your physiology, you feel like you're dying. Because you're not doing what you planned out.

SPEAKER_03 14:07

Right.

SPEAKER_00 14:07

But you're like, but God's telling you to do this thing, and then there is a reward from that.

SPEAKER_03 14:12

Right.

SPEAKER_00 14:12

So you there is actually a reward from that, which if you if you experience a reward system for God, genuinely, you're gonna go back to it.

SPEAKER_03 14:21

Oh, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 14:22

It's like tasting, like you're gonna go back to it, and then you're gonna go back to it again, then it's gonna get better and better until you're like, I just eat from here.

SPEAKER_03 14:29

Right. No, that's good. That's really good.

SPEAKER_00 14:31

I feel like that would be- I feel like people don't know there's a reward system.

SPEAKER_03 14:34

Well, I think that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 14:35

Why would you do something because somebody's like making you do it?

SPEAKER_03 14:38

Well, again, religion has taught us that God punishes, right? That he's not the reward, that he's that he's a punisher.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

They're fear of torment.

SPEAKER_03 14:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:45

Yeah, no, it's totally yeah, it's like a little reward, so it's like a bunny rabbit or something. It's like it's like a trail you're going down.

SPEAKER_03 14:52

Mm-hmm. That's so funny.

SPEAKER_00 14:54

You know, with that It's just your little trail you're going down.

SPEAKER_03 14:57

Right. Well, and and I think that having that focus to uh stay on the trail is a big deal because it's you know, to your point again, you can see that this needs to be done at some point, and this needs and you can I don't know about you, but I like can see the problems that three weeks from now Gina is gonna face, and so I try to conquer them now.

SPEAKER_02 15:22

Adrian's like that too.

SPEAKER_03 15:24

Yes, and so like I get I get kind of I'm a big picture person anyway. Like I see the big picture and I sometimes struggle with the small steps to get to the big picture because they're mundane and they're boring and there's no pleasure pleasure in it and all that. You just want to get right to it, yeah. Well, and and I mean, but that is it's the obedience again and that that small thing and that sacrifice in that small thing and the fact that it's gonna lead to death either way. There's a death coming. Yeah, exactly. Right? So you can either obey and and die the way that the Lord wants you to, so He can resurrect you, or you can just do it all in your own strength and die at the end anyway.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

We're gonna have to pause.

SPEAKER_03 16:08

Okay. Alright, so I did want to talk a little bit about which we it's funny, we kind of talked about this beforehand, but I wrote overcoming doubt, but we talked about it earlier as being like an imposter syndrome. Can you speak into that a little bit for people who struggle with that?

SPEAKER_00 16:28

Yeah, it's like

Doubt As A Spiritual Battle

SPEAKER_00 16:29

a lot of these subjects, it's kind of like I think you can get really into this and like understand it pretty well. But where they're like it's in the Bible says don't be double-minded. Um, I think doubt is demonic, honestly. Okay Yeah, I think it's straight up like sinful.

SPEAKER_03 16:50

So like entertaining those thoughts is is that's the bottom line. Yeah, no, that's good.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

I came to realize that is actually totally like really bad. Like that's I don't know why I realized that. But yeah, doubt is like a scary bad thing. Not like something to be like I know a lot of people go through it, go are they just you just have to stop doubting.

SPEAKER_03 17:10

Just stop. I love that, just stop.

SPEAKER_00 17:12

Like Yeah, you have to move forward in faith.

SPEAKER_03 17:14

Yeah, that's like Graham Cook, have another thought.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

Yeah, kind of.

SPEAKER_03 17:17

Just have another thought.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

Yeah, you just have to take that one captive because it's just like it's it's ripping apart your identity. Now you could chase down by my doubting, and you might be like having a belief system that's like not congruent, and it might get down to like you think you're a good person.

SPEAKER_03 17:39

Like, what are you So you're saying it might it might reveal self?

SPEAKER_00 17:42

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 17:44

Yeah, yeah. Because at the end of and uh yeah, like if you follow that down, and that that's the truth, if you follow doubt, it comes back to self. Yeah, exactly. Because you're putting your faith in yourself and not in the Lord.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 17:55

No, that's good.

SPEAKER_00 17:56

So doubt is, yeah, and I I struggle with that, like I remember like Scott kind of being like, the doubt is going away. I think he prophesied over us. And I and because it's really demonic, it's not good for a believer to be trying to overcome.

SPEAKER_02 18:11

Was that with her or was that with him?

SPEAKER_00 18:12

That was Alexander, that was way early on in Canapolis. Where he was just like, he's like, You've been you've been doubting stuff. And it it was like it was like not it was like God was bringing me into the clarity. Like that's just not it was not even an identity thing, it was more than that. It was like it was like an overwhelming sensation. So that's why I think it's actually like it's in that demonic realm.

SPEAKER_03 18:36

So that's I agree with that.

SPEAKER_00 18:38

I would step out of it and take action in faith.

SPEAKER_03 18:41

Well, yeah, because that that just leads you to stagnation, right?

SPEAKER_00 18:44

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 18:44

And so the opposite.

SPEAKER_00 18:45

The antidote is take them take yeah. That's why, like, when it comes to tithing and stuff like that, I've asked people the question, like, can you really tithe and not be in faith? I mean, I know you can tithe for like the wrong reasons, but action has so much faith involved with it. It's like the final countdown before the outcome.

SPEAKER_03 19:04

Right, because it's already it's already been established in the world.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

It's already aligned, yeah, and now you're so externally. Yeah, so you don't even need to overthink it. It's kind of like that's what's happening.

SPEAKER_03 19:13

No, that's good.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

Just walk it out.

SPEAKER_03 19:15

Yeah, yeah. That's good.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

So it it does it, it also like it just will crush your intellectual. You know how we kind of talk about like, do you want it and all this kind of like dilemmas in your head of taking action?

SPEAKER_01 19:29

Right.

SPEAKER_00 19:30

It does it. What am I trying to say? It's like when you finally go to do something, that's your step towards it.

SPEAKER_03 19:39

Like you've already made up your mind.

SPEAKER_00 19:40

It's positive. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. Like neutral, there is no neutral.

SPEAKER_03 19:44

Oh, that's good.

SPEAKER_00 19:45

That's what I'm trying to get at. So doubt is actually like tipping into the negative.

SPEAKER_03 19:49

Right.

SPEAKER_00 19:49

You're supposed to be positive, actually. That's my other question to people. Like, how positive are we supposed to be as Christians and stuff and business? You really become you live in the positive. You so the the the negative is not moving forward.

SPEAKER_03 20:06

Right.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

You're like, you know what I mean? It's like the bad is not even bad, it's good. You're always in the positive.

SPEAKER_03 20:12

No, that is good. So you're already obviously.

SPEAKER_00 20:14

It's just, yeah, there's no neutral zone.

SPEAKER_03 20:16

No, that yeah, I agree with that.

SPEAKER_00 20:18

And that developing that mental resilience to understand what that is and just deal with it.

SPEAKER_03 20:26

So it's funny because my next question is gonna be about leadership, the good and the bad, and learning as you go, and how it's all, again, to your point, working for your good. Like it's all working for your benefit. But have you what are some

Leadership Pain And Letting People Go

SPEAKER_03 20:44

areas that you have learned in being a leader, being you know, an owner that was negative, but you found a positive in it? Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00 20:59

Yeah, let me repeat it back to you, like areas where like as I've been growing.

SPEAKER_03 21:04

As you've been growing, even a mistake or a fault of your own, you found, and you're like, oh, well, this is this is not a good thing, this is a bad thing, but as you keep walking, it's turned in the Lord worked it for your good. Does that make sense? So, like, yeah, even with people, yeah, a lot of people, and that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 21:24

Yeah, it's all I think every single one, he'll work everything out towards good for those who love you, or for those who love God.

SPEAKER_03 21:30

Do you have any um, I guess, examples or stories for that?

SPEAKER_00 21:35

Yeah, yeah, I've got like my dad was a big one about that. Like, my one of my last interactions with my dad was he didn't know what to do with me because I was a full grown man in his house. So he just like swung at me and punched me.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_00 21:47

Yeah, and I punched him back, and I and I I was so kind of numbed up, but now he owns 3.5% of my company.

SPEAKER_05 21:54

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

And I I had to go through a lot of the journey of basically being like, wait a second, like it was like God. Restored so much. Yeah. And it's not like a codependent thing. Um, but that's I ended up that's how I got my big breakthrough. I apologize for judging him. I identified that he was the same as me. It was like looking in the mirror. So my biggest hindrance was my biggest breakthrough. Like that's how I really came to know God as a son of God was God showed me that your brother, when it says if you hate your brother in your heart, your dad is your brother. He is Jesus in the flesh. Like there's a Jesus that's up there, but there's a Jesus that's my dad has Christ in him. That's Jesus. So I was hating Jesus because I was hating myself. I'm like, well, why do I hate myself? And it's like because you have Satan inside of you. Satan hates you, and he hates your dad, and he hates all sons of God. So I was like, oh my god, I've been listening to Satan my whole life. So the same thing that I hated my dad, I didn't really hate him, and I didn't really hate myself. Like Jesus even said, if you why would a man hate him ownself or hurt his own flesh? You know? It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_05 23:03

Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

Yeah, but he's like, he's talking about like let's deal with what's going on. I know there's a dilemma going on, but so my dad was a big one. Now my dad's involved in the company. Who knows what? My dad is an engineer, he's got a lot of real estate experience. God only knows what's possible with like the franchising of our business. Yeah, his his involvement, but there's a lot of crap. Um, what else? What are other stories of there's a lot of them.

SPEAKER_02 23:29

Yeah, I've had a lot of you talking about something that happened in the company.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

I've had a lot of guys who are kind I've had like two two guys now who like it hurt pretty bad losing them. And you kind of wonder like why. You know, um and it's kind of like how do you do anything you do out of weakness, it kind of brings out the weakness in the other person.

SPEAKER_03 23:55

Oh yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

So it's like I don't really believe in like the leadership thing. I think that's been like overemphasized and it causes I don't think any man should have another leader over him except Christ.

SPEAKER_03 24:07

You can't be a leader unless you're submitted to the Lord.

SPEAKER_00 24:09

There you go. Okay, that's a good way to look at it. Leaders are really just submitting, they're followers.

SPEAKER_03 24:14

Well, I mean, Jesus said that the greatest is the servant, and so they're they're the servant.

SPEAKER_00 24:19

Yeah, so that literally, yeah, leaders are actually they're they're under, they've now been stacked with people who are helping them serve their mission, and they're serving up correctly. Yeah, so they're compressed. So when your life is compressed, the results are more dramatic.

SPEAKER_03 24:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

For good or for bad. So some of the bad is like you're projecting your fears or your insecurity. Instead of taking them to God, you project them onto your people and you put too much onto them. Right. And they kind of break, but it goes both ways. You can't look at them to correct you. But you do need the people in your life to correct you. So you're like, you're in this, you need people to correct you, but you're the people who are who you are stewarding for God, you can't be weak on them. Right.

SPEAKER_03 25:01

You gotta that's not where the correction comes from.

SPEAKER_00 25:04

Yeah, exactly. So when it starts going that way, it overloads them so much. I've lost some good guys like that. Right. And that's not who I am, so it's like I'm disgusted, which is okay to be disgusted by an identity that you no longer want to have.

SPEAKER_05 25:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

That's because your brain wants to keep functioning that way, you see. So Yeah, losing losing guys, and then going through like, was that my fault? And then being like, it was my fault, but I have to keep moving forward. So it like really wasn't. I just learned. I hope I wish there were people who will stick around and learn with you. That's what it comes to.

SPEAKER_03 25:36

I just I just did a TikTok about that.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

You're like, will anybody just stick around and go through the process?

SPEAKER_02 25:43

Tell me you're prophetic.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

Well, and like, so you know, I think that's so fun because my my thought process when I was just talking about the that same thing and in that TikTok was the worship team. Yep. And just seeing how far they've come over the last two years and and how how much of a struggle it was at first because you're bringing these, you know, specifically me, Luke, Trinity, the real, you're bringing these four strong personalities together, yes, and you're trying to make them one.

SPEAKER_00 26:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 26:15

And so like there's there was all this conflict and all this friction and all this, and I and I I offended all of them multiple times, you know, because I I'm the leader, right? The leader. Yeah, yeah, right. And but like there was learning on my part, learning on their part, and what it did because we didn't didn't give up on each other, yeah, is it made everybody stronger.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

Technically, there's leaders in Satan's kingdom.

SPEAKER_03 26:38

Oh, yeah, there's leaders everywhere. Everybody just leads something.

SPEAKER_00 26:41

Yeah, leader is really your stewarding something, so you're in control.

SPEAKER_03 26:45

Well, and I always look at it and as like the leader is is at the bottom pushing everybody up. Yeah, like you're not the lowest, you've got to be the hump like the humble one, you gotta, you know, be all that stuff. But at the same time, you also have to be assertive, you have to hold people accountable.

SPEAKER_00 27:01

Yeah, you gotta be careful with that. That's why I think a lot of people don't progress right because they get uh stuck in those like well, but that's codependency.

SPEAKER_03 27:08

Yeah, that you know, I don't I wasn't like we can't look to the people that we're accountable for for you know making us feel good about who we are, right? Yeah, yeah, we have to actually bring who we are to them. That's what a leader is. The leader is imparting what they've learned to those that they are stewarding.

SPEAKER_00 27:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:29

Mm-hmm. So I just thought that would that was really cool though, because I just got a whole technology.

SPEAKER_00 27:34

You guys have gone a long way.

SPEAKER_03 27:35

Oh, well, and it's looking good up there. Well, and you know, I think that there's been, you know, we've lost people to your point. Like we didn't hurt.

SPEAKER_02 27:44

There's been a lot of growth with y'all.

SPEAKER_03 27:46

There has been growth and and and learning, but like losing, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

This is the first time that I've ever experienced losing people.

SPEAKER_03 27:52

And that it's hard. You take it personal. Like you shouldn't personally.

SPEAKER_00 27:56

Oh yeah, I just lost my number one guy.

SPEAKER_03 27:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:59

And the whole like dynamics around it.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

That one hurt, and the reasons he gave just were not right.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

It's just there's nothing you can really do about it. It's part of the it's the you gotta let people go.

SPEAKER_03 28:09

You can't hold on to anyone, you know?

SPEAKER_00 28:11

Yeah, it's part of the I think part of it too is like it's it's that's the cool thing about the Christian walk of fella, you you're supposed to be connecting over something more than like, here's a contractual agreement. You do your job. Um but uh a lot of the times, what was I gonna say? There's you have to learn from it. So it's almost like you want to have a reconciliation and talk to somebody and say, hey, did you learn something? Or you did you learn nothing? Because I did.

SPEAKER_05 28:47

Right.

SPEAKER_00 28:47

And I'm moving forward. Because that means you both made a mistake. Somewhere there was a miscommunication or an expectation. Maybe I took a carrot and said, Come on. Right. And then I was like, the carrot's gone. And that's not right.

SPEAKER_03 29:00

Right.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

And it's not right for them to chase a carrot.

SPEAKER_03 29:02

Right.

SPEAKER_00 29:03

I got no carrot. Right. Nobody's got no carrots for you. So it's a setup on both sides.

SPEAKER_05 29:07

Yes, that's good.

SPEAKER_00 29:08

And I've told people before, they'd be like, Will you get into business with me? I'm like, no, you don't need me. And it like, go do it yourself, man. Like, here's the book I would recommend. Right. I'll give you my entire contact list. Like, here's all the resources I have. Let me give you the best knowledge I have from my experience. And they don't go do anything with it. They just want to get codependent. And that's when you feel the best, when you're just honest about it. But it's so easy to get into that illusion.

SPEAKER_05 29:31

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

Like laziness will get you there. There's all these, and God is always trying to keep you in that lane. Like you talked about, how do you stay in the little trail that God's have? You have to learn to function in the uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_03 29:43

That's good.

SPEAKER_00 29:44

Because when you get comfortable, that's when you like your pride comes before a fall.

SPEAKER_03 29:47

Right.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

And so that for me, that looks like maybe like unplugging from the business. Maybe people are gonna do, but then there's a flip side where it's like you can't do everything.

SPEAKER_03 29:54

Right.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

So it's it's a balance.

SPEAKER_03 29:56

No, that's that's good. Like I'm I'm learning to say no in my personal life. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

You know, and and that's and it makes you wonder too, like, the people God has, you need people to fulfill your purpose. It's not just people.

SPEAKER_04 30:10

Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 30:11

So it's like the people God has for you, maybe not everybody is. And you don't know the ones that are gonna be there might be different than what you thought.

SPEAKER_03 30:18

Right.

SPEAKER_00 30:19

And that's the tough part too. You're like, I thought you were gonna do this together.

SPEAKER_03 30:23

We have to hold everybody with an open hand, though. You know, it's tough. And like one thing that I've I've learned is to be grateful for the season that you have with people because you don't know how long they're gonna be there. And so if I can learn something from you right now, then I want to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 30:40

Yeah, you know, and that you got a little part of me imparted into you. Exactly. That's that's right together.

SPEAKER_03 30:44

But that's the body healing the body, even, you know, because like I need to see from your perspective because I only see from mine.

SPEAKER_02 30:52

Right.

SPEAKER_03 30:52

And so when we all get that little piece of the Lord, we come together and we know him better.

SPEAKER_02 30:57

Don't be afraid to let relationships go. Well, and then otherwise it's a double-edged sword.

SPEAKER_03 31:01

Oh yeah, absolutely. And like you have to, well, you people have autonomy, you have to elect let them do what seems right to them. Yeah, you know, if if the Lord will let people walk away from him, you have to let him too. Yeah. That's a hard one though.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

Yeah, that's I'm just gonna. Yeah, and you want to it's just a tough one.

SPEAKER_03 31:23

Well, and I'm pretty convinced now that most of our relationships are just seasonal.

SPEAKER_00 31:28

And again, yeah, I was gonna ask something like that. Like, because I don't have a lot of experience with this. Where it's like, I'm sure like something like Sky's got decades of like, but yeah, it might be, it's like a come and go.

SPEAKER_03 31:39

Well, and you know, just walking with him for as long as I've had as I have, I've seen so many come in, and and there's this excitement, and there's this, but they have this this unrealistic expectation and all this kind of stuff, and he refuses to meet their expectation, and it ends in offense, and then they leave and it hurts him deeply. You know, people that that he's allowed into to hit this place and everything, and he's poured into, and he just Oh, that's what I was gonna ask you, because you you want to develop like a a skin, a callus from it.

SPEAKER_00 32:13

You have to, yeah, yeah. And it's like some of it to protect, but I'm trying not to get into the point where I'm like, it's not like I'm wary of everybody, but it's like I've been through it enough now where I'm like I'm not obligated to trust anybody.

SPEAKER_03 32:27

We don't have we don't have to develop a heart.

SPEAKER_02 32:29

But it's like a really tough head, but a really soft heart.

SPEAKER_00 32:32

Yeah, it's like you just have to.

SPEAKER_03 32:34

We have to love God and or trust God and love people. And so recognizing that God sent this person to you for a purpose and a reason and a season.

SPEAKER_04 32:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:43

And so navig like I think understanding that helps you to navigate, okay, well, what is the purpose for this relationship in this season? Like, what is it that God's asking of me with them? What is it that that I'm seeing of him on them and in this relationship? And I think that that really helps us to to not be codependent with people because I'm I'm recognizing that you are completely separate, that you have your own life, you have your own future, you have you know, and I'm not expecting your future to come alongside mine.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:17

If we end up that way, then praise God, right? But like there's no expectation of you serving me.

SPEAKER_00 33:25

Right. Right. Right, yeah. And that's where it's like, no, you owe no man but to love them. Exactly. And yeah, nobody everybody knows got their own bank account. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:35

But I I could I could definitely see people coming to you and being like, oh, well, you've been successful here, so make me successful.

SPEAKER_00 33:43

It's the first time I've experienced it in my life. It's like a weird, like because I mean we went from I went from like a hundred thousand dollar, like s lit developed a little skill to like multi-million dollar, you know, b from business pretty much in in like five years. In two year period.

SPEAKER_02 34:01

Right. It was like five years.

SPEAKER_00 34:02

Or well, no, from twenty twenty three years, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

We moved here in twenty twenty-four. And whenever we moved here is when it took off. Right.

SPEAKER_00 34:12

Yeah, so now you have like people who come and they have an interest to get something from what's happening. And I've I've always I've had to become more wary and be like, okay, I defend my family, I defend my business, I defend what you know, and be careful with what you say, what you talk about, how you treat people, how you promote people. You can't treat everybody the same.

SPEAKER_03 34:34

Oh, that that'll preach.

SPEAKER_00 34:36

Yeah, you just cannot. Because they're not that's you have to be aware.

SPEAKER_03 34:42

Well, and we all have different levels of intimacy with one another.

SPEAKER_00 34:45

Yeah. And that's there for a reason. That's there for a reason. It helps me, it helps, it helps that you know, it helps them. It's just um But yeah, it's been it's been freaky. It's been a little scary to see that side of people don't want to go make for themselves. They want to they want to milk off other people.

SPEAKER_03 35:05

You know, I think we can ask. That's it.

SPEAKER_00 35:06

They want to milk off when it's like, why? Like, I don't even have that much going on. Like, because we I look at it because what you do have going from the work I put in.

SPEAKER_02 35:15

Right.

SPEAKER_00 35:15

You see, that's because I was there the whole time. Other people see this thing and they're like, let me go milk off of it.

SPEAKER_02 35:21

I'm like, Honey, you can't re-produ yeah it's because what you have they want. Well, and that is that result thing they want the final way. They want it the easy way, they don't want to go through the fire and trials.

SPEAKER_03 35:33

And that right there is where the church is right now.

SPEAKER_02 35:36

Right.

SPEAKER_03 35:37

The easy way? Because, as you said earlier, what's reflective in the natural is what's actually in the supernatural. So, what's what's being exposed in the physical is what's happening

Builders Rising As The Church Shifts

SPEAKER_03 35:50

in the spirit, and so what you're experiencing, there's that's such a parallel because of your walk with the Lord with what the church is going through.

SPEAKER_05 35:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:00

And like we have we have clamored and desired gifting, anointing, yeah. Oh my god. Platform, we wanted the easy position instead of instead of following the Lord for ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 36:13

I know. And it's like we missed the food. We want we want fast food.

SPEAKER_02 36:17

We want unhealthy fast food instead of healthy takes time. And then we get mad when our stomach hurts. Exactly. Yeah, or we get stuck.

SPEAKER_00 36:23

And not to mention, like, if the boss comes in and it's like, are you doing your job? You're like, what job?

unknown 36:28

Right.

SPEAKER_00 36:29

You know, like, yeah, it's like we had a job to do. It's like right. You had a job. It's like that's you signed up at this time, it's been this long. It's like, what have you done?

SPEAKER_03 36:38

And it's like I buried my talent. That's what I did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

And it's like, that's where it's like, you know, the world is preaching this one thing. It's weird. People are flocking to the world's version of it.

SPEAKER_03 36:51

That's because the church is failing.

SPEAKER_00 36:52

Yeah, it should be this super cool version of what God can do. Even like dedicating this business to God, I'm interested to see what happens. But there's a lot of successful businesses. Oh, yeah. And I'm not having a certain expectation, but what's possible with God?

SPEAKER_03 37:08

Well, and you know what I mean? Yeah. Well, and right now, this is the season of the builders.

SPEAKER_00 37:13

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 37:14

And so what we're we're seeing is again, the church has rejected the builders.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

Yeah, imagine a builder talking to like an anointed chasing person. You're literally like, dude, I only have so I've got about five seconds.

SPEAKER_03 37:28

Right.

SPEAKER_00 37:28

Before I gotta lay this brick.

SPEAKER_03 37:30

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 37:30

Do you want to mix the mortar while you talk? It's that kind of level of like, I get it, bro. But can you help me?

SPEAKER_03 37:36

I have a plan. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:37

I have working on this wall from here to here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:41

We're trying to get it done by by and you're uh and you want me to solve your problem.

SPEAKER_00 37:45

Yeah, and I also have like enemies that we need to defend from. So it's so weird. You're like, you like them, but you're like, can you help?

SPEAKER_03 37:54

Right. Well, and I I I think that that's why though we're seeing um in in kind of the you know the business sector, yeah, seeing all these builders really um developing right now and and and stepping out right now. It's because that's what the Lord is wanting to bring back to his church is the builders. Yeah, and so we have to recognize a builder when we see them. Absolutely. Because then we give them the space, the honor, the ability, you know, to build instead of being in their face talking about can you interpret my gene my dream last night? Yeah, they're interested.

SPEAKER_00 38:29

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 38:30

Right? Like we've been so self-focused, we've forgotten that that we're collectively supposed to be building something together. Yeah, you know, and so I I love that.

SPEAKER_00 38:40

Yeah, I've been telling people for a long time, like you you look at like what do people I mean, like God's he he's his way is he's the same, but he changes his like methods.

SPEAKER_03 38:51

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 38:51

Like he might use whatever method he needs, a donkey or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 38:55

Oh yeah, like he does what he wants, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:56

Yeah, I genuinely believe, like, yeah, he's he's he's like, okay, the church is not hearkening to my call. I love the church, but I'm gonna pick people out of the church to get done what I because God has made a promise. Satan's made a promise. God's not gonna be slack in fulfilling his promise. So he will wake up certain people to get done. He's just not that kind of person that he's not gonna honor his word. So that's why I feel like he's just waking up people, they're like, they might have been in the church, they might have been out of the church, but they find themselves being like in this entrepreneurial vein, and you can see this kind of parallel between ministers and entrepreneurs where you're like, wait, what's going on here? And I think that's because God is, he's like, look, I need to have these things done. I'm not giving up.

SPEAKER_03 39:45

No, he's not gonna give up.

SPEAKER_00 39:47

I'm not giving up and going into a cloud.

SPEAKER_03 39:49

Right.

SPEAKER_00 39:49

And like having a halo fit. No, he's not, he's like, I'm gonna I got kids, I got things to defend. I have Exactly. I have uh the you know, we're supposed to so I think he's Yeah, you know what I mean, where it's it's like harm is like when I'm at church and we're in and this you know, like you can feel the spirit, you know something's going on. We all need that. Oftentimes though, I'm thinking like, what am I gonna be doing Monday morning? What kind of person am I gonna be after this?

SPEAKER_05 40:19

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:20

And that's who I know I am. Like I build off like, am I going home and I'm over drinking? Am I going home and having a who really am I at the end of the day? Not who am I in that moment, but who am I like when I face God? And that's because it's hard to say you're not something that you are. You basically have to be like, I am that. You might as well just be that right away.

SPEAKER_03 40:41

Be it the whole time. Right. Just just be it the whole time then. Yeah, yeah like take the mask off. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 40:47

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 40:48

Yeah, but I I love that though, because like I d I do think that the Lord will build his church, and we've seen man's attempt to build it, and we've seen it kind of you know, combust. Fizzle out. Right. Well, and and more than combust.

SPEAKER_00 41:03

Yeah, it's I mean come like completely fail.

SPEAKER_03 41:06

Yes. That's why I said fizzle out. Yeah, but well, and and the destruction of it is great, right? Like lots of people got lost. And how how great is the destruction of it? Yeah, yeah because it's it's it was pride that was building the church. But now the Lord is stripping, and and to your point, he's waking up individuals who did not fit into the system, who look different, who have different mindsets, different thought processes than those that were were you know in that system of of religious organization, and they're the ones that are gonna lead.

SPEAKER_00 41:40

Yeah. And the care the like you're talking about, like you got cult leaders, you got people who are like charismatic.

SPEAKER_03 41:47

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 41:49

That there is something about being charismatic that draws people to you. But he, if I were God, I would find people who who are have the potential to be charismatic and let that go for their character.

SPEAKER_03 42:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 42:01

Then we get we work.

SPEAKER_03 42:02

Well, and I think that that's what we're seeing.

SPEAKER_00 42:04

You gotta let that go.

SPEAKER_03 42:05

Well, and yeah. And I you have to let it all go.

SPEAKER_00 42:08

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 42:08

You have to let go every gifting, and and that's what people don't understand is you have to let go of g gifting and anointing and and purpose and actually that's a good teaching right there.

SPEAKER_00 42:17

Let it go.

SPEAKER_03 42:18

You have to because don't do it anymore. That's why in heaven you're gonna you're it says that they fall down, the elders fall down, and they lay their crowns at the feet of Jesus. That's their mindsets, that's their identity, that's their purpose, that's their gifting, that's their anointing. Like they're laying continually down who they are for who he is. That's awesome. Exactly. But like we can do that here. We have to. Yeah, we're supposed to. But that that's why we haven't built anything that lasts here because we refuse to lay down our crowns. We refuse to lay down who we are for who he is. But that's why he's gone out into this private sector, you know, into this this business world, and he's he's given people visions and dreams and experiences outside of the church. Outside of the religion.

SPEAKER_02 43:09

He knows that people who do who are entrepreneurs will actually get it done.

SPEAKER_03 43:14

Well, and and you know, I think I think that you're there's twofold with that. Because I think that you're an entrepreneur because God made that, right? Like, like you were predisposed to be that.

SPEAKER_00 43:25

Yeah, I can see that.

SPEAKER_03 43:26

Now, having said that, we were all creators, we're co-creators, you know, so we're creating something back to what you said. Either we're creating destruction or we're creating life continually. But like literally and metaphorically. Well, and again, the physical is is just representation of the spirit. And so, like, what happens in the spirit, and vice versa. But anyway, the point is is is we are in such a fun place because it's not gonna look like what it used to be. You know, it's not gonna be, we're not gonna be. Sitting in in church and and you know counting the the lights. I don't know if y'all ever did that, counting the seven tiles. You know what I mean? Like we're gonna actually be engaged, everybody's gonna bring their peace because like you have a piece of the Lord that you're supposed to have recognized and and come to know this week. And Christian has a piece of the Lord that he is. I don't mind doing this, but it's like But like when when our heart is bigger than our pride, right? When my heart for you like overcomes my insecurity, then there is no there is a roundhouse kicking people. Yeah, well, because there's there's no more, I don't need you to make me feel good anymore. So I can just You basically just don't care anymore.

SPEAKER_02 44:46

Well, and I mean it's it's well not so much that you don't care, it's that you it's I love you more than I I love you more than I love me. Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:53

That's really what it is.

SPEAKER_02 44:54

It's basically that moment I love you more than offend you kind of deal. I won't I just want to get rid of it.

SPEAKER_03 45:00

Some of us don't care if we offend you anyway. But some people don't like but like I when I get to a place where I love you more than I love myself.

SPEAKER_00 45:07

I like being offended.

SPEAKER_03 45:10

Praise God.

SPEAKER_00 45:10

Yeah, now I mean I like being provoked.

SPEAKER_03 45:14

So I wouldn't say offended. I think offense comes from our our sin, right? But I like being provoked, and when I'm provoked, and that offends me.

SPEAKER_00 45:21

Yeah, it kind of pisses me off for a second, then I'm like, wait, that was healthy. That was good. Somebody loves me.

SPEAKER_03 45:26

Yeah, Scott and Aries.

SPEAKER_00 45:27

He said that. Yeah, yeah, he just tells me right up.

SPEAKER_03 45:31

Well, as I had some other things, but I really feel like we should probably wrap up at this point. But um, because we we hit on a lot of these anyway, honestly. Um even the saying the hard things, I think we we kind of hit on that. Um so if if you have any other thoughts on encouraging

Taking Action Starts With Forgiveness

SPEAKER_03 45:54

people who are called to uh to something to deal with the Lord.

SPEAKER_00 46:01

Yeah, I I think there's a lot of people that are in the position that I was in five years ago. God has got something big in their heart, a dream, and they're like stuck. And I was thinking about this. I think there's two main things. They both kind of come down to the same thing. Taking action. If you can just take action on whatever it is, and um the people who hear this will know what I'm talking about. But yeah, it just it comes down to taking action and just taking it consistently, and everything else will kind of fall into place. Because there's people who are like dependent on what like right now, I mean we have you know, this is a Christian podcast or whatever, but like like there how many people from like our little tribe or our church are employed in my business in this business? A bunch. A bunch. A lot of people a lot, and it's it's been something that I've been like, do I want this, not want it? But it's kind of happened. So what the if you're called to like start something or you have a little dream in your heart, you really have to like it's imperative that you start doing that, because like I'm uh it's in fact, it's affecting a lot of like what's happening here, and I love it. I think it's the best thing ever. It's like a conduit flowing through, and I'm like, this is so cool, right? Like, because it's affecting the yeah, I'm not just sitting on the pew being like, God, like, how can I impact people? And there's more, there's more I can do, right? There's more I do, but it's good to look back and be like, oh, something has happened.

SPEAKER_05 47:25

Right.

SPEAKER_00 47:25

Like, look, I can see a result. You get more encouraged, you get more encouraged to where you're like, guys, this is like this is worth pursuing. I'd say a big door that unlocked for me though, the Bible says, if you have a little gift that you want to offer God at the altar, first go from the altar and forgive your brother in your heart. And I think there's a misunderstanding for Christians around how to do that. And so before when I had anger, it completely uh debilitated my ability to walk into this purpose. Two weeks after I followed through with this, I'm gonna give a formula, I got it broke open, complete break open of what God had called me to as an entrepreneur, kingdom builder, like flowing of of stuff. So people, if you have anger, and and you can ask God if I have anger, like you gotta ask him, because I didn't know. I didn't know until he showed me, and it was like it was like seeing something in me for the first time. I was like, oh my gosh, I've been coexisting with a different identity in me. If you have that anger, it's it's it's that thing. You don't you cannot give your little gift.

SPEAKER_03 48:35

Right.

SPEAKER_00 48:36

You can't, God can't, it's like not gonna work. So the formula of what I what I did, somebody told me, go to your mom and apologize for resenting her. So I would just encourage people to pray, like where if do I have resentment or anger?

SPEAKER_02 48:50

And apologize to your dad for judging them.

SPEAKER_00 48:52

And apologize to your dad, and God will take that anger out, and then it's gangbusters. Because why would God stop you from fulfilling the purpose that you have? The procrastination, the doubt, that's all coming from a spiritual that's what I meant by the doubt being demonic. I had forgiven my parents, it was like that coming off me. Yeah, the years of doubt is not natural, right? Like if you're like, I want to start this, or I I know I should be making this, I like if you are have if you feel like you're fighting like a warfare battle, there is one tool you can employ, overcome the anger, and that anger comes from resentment, and it's usually given to kids. It was specifically given to me because my mom would come to me and tell me about how my dad is not being perfect, but as a kid I saw him as perfect, right? So it was it was literally like, why are you telling me God's not perfect? Your dad is your representative of God. And then I had to defend, and then I said, Well, why did God let Satan get to me through my mom?

SPEAKER_05 49:51

Right.

SPEAKER_00 49:51

And then that's your whole thing. Why is Satan, why is God stopping me from getting money? Why is God stopping me from why is he making me depressed? Right, you're you're you become the accuser. Yeah, yeah, you you're accusing yourself, you're accusing everybody of just this until you everybody around you is done. You're like, and and they can see, they're like, Can you get it? It's like you get so demonic, you're like, people are looking in your eyes like come out of it, and you're like, I can't. You're they're like, you have something to give. And you're like, all that is coming out of me is anger and hate, and and then but what's supposed to be coming out of you is this life force feeding into people, and they need that. So it's like you need to overcome this for yourself and for other people. It's imperative. And I'm tired of seeing the body of Christ being inhibited by the fact that they just will not recognize that they don't like their dads. Like most people, if you ask them about their dad, they're like, nah, I don't really like him. He was this or that, and I'm not that. I'm like, not only are you that, right, but you're worse than that, because you won't admit you're that.

SPEAKER_03 50:50

Yes. No, that's there's so much truth to that.

SPEAKER_00 50:52

And if it's if that's your earthly father, that is you.

SPEAKER_03 50:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:55

That is one generation of you ago. Imagine if you get in alignment and stop faking it, and and what your kids and those, you know what I'm saying? That's the best thing, that's the biggest thing Satan wants to do is get us in church thinking we're better than our dads who are at the bar.

SPEAKER_05 51:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 51:11

God could care much less. Oh, yeah. In fact, it actually says, of yourself you can do nothing. So Satan's got us thinking we're doing stuff. And we're not. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 51:20

Right.

SPEAKER_00 51:21

So overcome the anger. Go go to your father or your mother and say, hey, I no longer am allowed to judge you. I'm sorry for judging you. Or I'm sorry for resenting you, mom. You could not help the fact that you were letting that toxicity come out of the the same thing we do complaining or gossiping or being overbearing or being anything we're not supposed to be versus perfect.

SPEAKER_03 51:43

Well, and that speaks to the impact it has on others, and we don't even recognize.

SPEAKER_00 51:46

But there's a specific time frame when you become an adult, you have to be done with it. There's like latent like fallout from it.

SPEAKER_05 51:53

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:54

But God, I think that's what God means by He'll work it all for good. Like the latent in my mind, it's already done. Like when God, I knew when I went to my dad and said, I'm sorry for judging you, and I went to my mom and I just called her. I said, first I was shaking in my boots. I went 60 milligrams of Adderall shaking in my boots and left. I got in my truck like I always did, going to bars or going to basically this I became the worst version. I was afraid of my mom. She's five feet tall because she had trauma. So I called her on the phone, I just said, Mom, I'm sorry for resenting you for trying to turn me into this nasty version of what a man is not.

SPEAKER_03 52:28

Oof. Oof.

SPEAKER_00 52:29

I didn't say all that, but it was all there. Yeah. And she said, Oh my gosh, I feel so bad.

SPEAKER_03 52:34

Oh wow. She recognized it then.

SPEAKER_00 52:36

Oh, they know it instantly. It's the most love you could ever do to your mom. Finally, somebody finally said, Get your religion. It's okay, but your son too.

SPEAKER_05 52:42

Right.

SPEAKER_00 52:43

Like Jesus, it's like, oh, it's okay, I know what's going on inside you. I don't blame you for it. It wasn't your fault. I'm gonna take it from here. Me and God got it. You just sit back and relax.

SPEAKER_05 52:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:53

Like his sons are back. And that's that's what happened. My dad was like, oh, I could see in his eyes, he's like, Are you about to face this? And I asked him too, I was like, What what happened to you when like or I said he he told me he's like when I was 10 years old, your grandma did the same thing to me. She made me promise not to be an alcoholic like your papy. And he had never told me that. Like it never had come up.

SPEAKER_05 53:13

Right.

SPEAKER_00 53:14

And I said, Well, why don't you go apologize to her now? And most Christians are like, they did the Bible study, they did the wrote the letter, they know you know, and it doesn't work. You have to face your fear. Yeah, face your fear. Most people don't know. They actually are afraid of their moms and they hate their dads. They're looking at their dads, Dad, will you give me an inheritance? Yeah. Will you give me this? Or why did you do this to me? God has not done one thing to you or kept one thing from you. And that's why when I talk to these, there's a lot of anger underneath me. It's like, no, you don't understand me. But it's like, I want to get in there and be like, let's go, let's get over it. Because it's also this, like, they're sad. They're like, they're they feel like orphans. I'm like, you're not an orphan, but you are behind enemy lines right now. We gotta get to you. We can't even get to you because you're you're overcome with this anger, and it's not even their anger, it's their anger, it's the mother's anger that was given to the kids through divorce and all these different things. And the mothers are crazy. They're going crazy they're like, they're acting like and the dads are all like bumps.

SPEAKER_03 54:11

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:11

In that mess.

SPEAKER_03 54:12

Well, I I remember, you know, even just the like from a really early age, I was the counselor.

SPEAKER_01 54:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:20

And so, like, you know, and and listen, like, we have giftings and stuff that that people recognize. And so people don't realize that they're abusing your gifting. But if you have a gift of counsel, from a young age, people will come and and exploit that.

SPEAKER_00 54:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:35

Because, you know, and so I just remember being really young and being able to see the why and and the heart behind what was going on, and and being able to recognize, you know, that my mom wouldn't let my dad love us the way that he was supposed to love us. That she was hypercritical of him and just all this kind of stuff. And so it gave me, like, I was still scared of my dad because he was but like it gave me a compassion for him that I didn't have because I realized that part of the reason he was so so so hands-off with us is because he was made to think that the way that he parented was wrong. You know, and so it gave me like all of this this empathy, you know, that I didn't have. But I will say though, my mom passed in in October. Yeah, I remember. And the one takeaway from that that blew my mind was as she was laying there, I realized I had no anger in my heart towards her.

SPEAKER_00 55:33

That's good.

SPEAKER_03 55:33

I had no unforgiveness. I was

Family Wounds And The Spirit Of Forgiveness

SPEAKER_03 55:36

like, I didn't see her as anything other than a beautiful soul that God loves, that I love, you know, right? Yeah. And and but there was there was such an understanding because that's what happens. When you forgive, understanding comes.

SPEAKER_00 55:50

That's what that's what I'm saying. Yes, it's like God forgive them for they know not what they do. It's actually that they go hand in hand. If you there's a misunderstanding. There is when there's unforgiveness. Right. Because they it's like a that's where Christ comes in. That's why if you have Christ, it's impossible to not forgive. I would say the spirit of Christ is the spirit of forgiveness.

SPEAKER_03 56:09

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 56:09

That's what he did on like you cannot get away from the two. That's why a lot of Christians don't want to hear they actually are not Christians anymore. They're Christians in they don't know who God is. They know about God. Right. They know versions of he may have done this or that for you. But having the spirit of Christ is having the spirit of forgiveness.

SPEAKER_03 56:26

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 56:27

Meaning you do not hold it says that in John, if you know, if any man has hatred in his heart, you know, he's none of his. What?

SPEAKER_03 56:35

He's none of his. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, like a I mean it and it it really is, to your point, you get to this place where it doesn't matter if you like people, it doesn't matter what they do to you, you can still see the Lord in them and on them. And all and there's a part of you, you're like, How could I hold sin against them? How can I hold sin against the Lord?

SPEAKER_00 56:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:56

How can I hold a fence against them?

SPEAKER_00 56:58

You know, yeah, I would go as far as like to me it came down because the sin thing was I think a lot of Christians get stuck in this too, and they kind of are like dissipating their energy towards what could be useful and practical over like, am I a good person or a bad person? Like, you know, the whole like sin stuff.

SPEAKER_05 57:18

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:19

And the thing about the apologizing for resentment and apologizing for judge see you notice you're not going and saying, Hey, I I am sorry, or you're saying, I'm sorry for judging you. You're not saying I forgive you.

SPEAKER_03 57:31

Well, and there's a there's a you're you're owning your part and recognizing their part.

SPEAKER_00 57:36

And your part is that you have no right to judge them for finging you up.

SPEAKER_03 57:42

Right. Well, and that's it. Even though they did. Even though they did.

SPEAKER_00 57:45

So that's when Christ comes in. How can you let them go for something they're responsible for?

SPEAKER_03 57:50

Well, and and and that's like with my mom and stuff, yeah. Even looking back now, like there is no more animosity, there is no more anger, there's no more bitterness.

SPEAKER_00 58:01

Yeah, I saw you go through that.

SPEAKER_03 58:02

Right? And it but it's it's it's a rebirth.

SPEAKER_00 58:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:06

Because you're like, oh my this part of me is now being released because I'm allowing myself to let go of of you know the the baggage that has hindered me. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00 58:19

One of the hundred percent it can happen in the twinkling of an eye.

SPEAKER_03 58:22

Yes, because unforgiveness hinders you. It has nothing like it's not uh even about them, it hinders you.

SPEAKER_00 58:28

In fact, the Bible says God cannot forgive you unless you stop acting like God. You're not the one who forgives and doesn't judge you. Yeah, exactly. So then he doesn't judge you. I did not know, like me, I literally, I was on a couch, I had condemnation, the guilt and condemnation. I knew there and therefore there's now no guilt or there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. My mom literally wrote that on a piece of paper while I'm like trying to kill myself with Adderall because the weight, I can't get it off.

SPEAKER_01 58:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:56

But I remember sitting there and being like, God literally took it off. And I what I what I came to understand was that God has never been judging me. He doesn't hold because how could I get myself out of a problem I didn't get myself into?

SPEAKER_01 59:08

Right.

SPEAKER_00 59:09

So why would he hold me responsible for something that I'm not I didn't have anything to do with? My mom and my dad got together and had sex.

SPEAKER_05 59:16

Right.

SPEAKER_00 59:16

That's where I came from originally. That's their problem.

SPEAKER_05 59:20

Right.

SPEAKER_00 59:20

Not my problem. Yeah, and so um, but once you come of age, you know, you bite this apple thing and or it gets into you, right, and you start hold you start playing God.

SPEAKER_05 59:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:33

So if you're playing God, for those who are listening, let's go ahead and develop, go ahead and get something done. Give yourself peace. What you find, you can't do anything.

SPEAKER_05 59:41

No, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:42

And God has called you to do good works.

SPEAKER_05 59:44

Right.

SPEAKER_00 59:44

But we need to get over this this hindrance that's hindering people, which is they're under this condemnation and in guilt, and it's covering them. But that is that is specifically designed for Satan. So the reason you're feeling that is because Satan has got some territory inside of you.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:01

It's because you have you have said I will ascend above his throne.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:05

Oh, you're you know what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:06

I do know it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:07

And in that crazy though. Yep. Now I'm the guy, you know, here we are at the podcast, everything. I like getting the results.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:15

Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:15

I'm like, that's why I was like, let's go, let's get the results. So now getting some results, I'm like, let's get more results. Let's keep let's well, I mean, let's just keep going with what we got going. Right. But um, what was I gonna say? That, yeah, it's just hindering people from from moving forward, the anger thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:35

No, that that's so good. And I love that you can't.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:37

Oh no, I was gonna say you gotta do it. Like it we're talking about it. Do it. Yeah, you have to go and do this thing. That's what I did. I heard it and I was like, I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:48

Oh I am gonna go do it. I was excited about doing it. I feel like people hear stuff and they're like, no, I'm gonna go do what I was doing before. I was like, do that and do this at the same time. Smoke a joint and think about going to like prepare. Yeah, like do the stuff that doesn't work. Pray out loud a thousand times asking God for help, and then also go do this. If you hear this, go to your mom and say, hey mom, I'm sorry for resenting you because you tried to turn me into a crazy person like you are.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:18

And then let her go crazy and don't be afraid of her. Right. And you won't be afraid of anything else again. Like, how can you be afraid of stuff? And she's like, I'm not crazy. You're like, yeah, you are. Well, I mean We're crazy together. I go into people's that's what I'm saying. I go into people's houses every day in West Virginia, five times a day. And their kids come out of the basement. These crazy ladies, and these boys, these young men come out and they're like vaping, and they're like this, and they I'm like, Satan has totally dismantled the entire Sons of God. They're in basements in West Virginia, and I'm walking in the house like, nothing. And the mom's like, and I'm like, I just make one comment, and she's like, shh, like you can see Satan. I'm like, I ain't afraid of you, man. I have fun with him now. I'm like, let's do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:05

Because you can't do it. That's so good.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:08

They're in houses. They're literally what you see them come out and they're just vaped up. They're like, and then they're dead. Satan, Satan is in his little domain, we like got them. And we're all over here like in church, like, raise hallelujah. And he's like, keep it up. I'm having and then there's a few guys like me out here who are like, dude, I'm like, I've been through hell, like I burnt through hell. And I went all the way through and came out and was like, you don't need to stay there. And but we gotta get the message out.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:36

No, that's good.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:37

The message has to be spoken, or people aren't gonna hear it and apply it. Somebody told me that. I just happened to be somebody who was like looking for the message. But it took me like rock bottom. That's why I'm my prayers that whoever hears this, because we need these, like, I don't want to. I mean, some bad stuff could come. Like, we're just like we've been hedging on years of productivity from generations past, but it's gotten to the point where we're gonna actually start seeing some. We already are. Look what they're doing to the kids, look what they're doing to the to the country. Like, imagine the country is that like we're gonna start seeing some serious bad results. And maybe that's the way God wants it to wake people up, but I had enough.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:22

I've had enough.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:23

That's where it's like, I just just even going on. I tell people the story of unemployment where like these guys during COVID were like, I'm gonna go on unemployment. And that was the first time I I remember that moral spark kicked back up in me, where it's like, no, that's wrong. And I said, I won't, and that that was like a trigger. It was like boom. And then one thing led to the next, and then I got this message.

Conviction In A Culture Of Numbing

SPEAKER_00 1:03:43

But I'm like, where are the men? Yeah, where are the men who are who are who are stand have a standard or a conviction? Remember convictions? What happened to conviction? Now we're like, anybody is a Christian. I'm like, no, and it's gotten so watered down, it's like anybody who stands up for anything, but I don't blame the guys. It's like behind enemy lines.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:06

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:06

From when they're a kids. It's like sticking a needle in them with anger and just going, got him, he's done. Then he'll be on Adderal, he'll be on those, he'll be on that. They're just so debilitated. I'm like, so that that's that's what I would say is when I finally got over that fear, that one anger was the root. And the Bible does say that. It's like fear is a baby of anger. You will slowly, I'm less and less afraid of things that before that made me afraid. And even if I'm afraid of something, something in me is like being like has helping me to overcome it versus I used to run away from it.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:48

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:48

So there's a force that is has somehow been able to overcome the force that was driving me to not do or to do the wrong things, or not to do the right things. And it does say that in the Bible, God will cause you. It's like a force is causing you, compelling you to do the right thing. So people who are like called to have a business and they've procrastinated it for ten years, six years, seven years. You okay?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:16

I'm sleepy.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:16

Oh. I I'm just saying that that's not natural. There should be a force that's compelling you. Well, and then you're gonna start, these little things are just gonna add up and then kaboom!

SPEAKER_03 1:05:27

Well, and to your point, people, there's so many people out there who have a dream, a vision from the Lord, and they're expecting the Lord to do it.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:35

He's not the one who's sweating. You sweat. Right. He's in heaven. Right, right. He's in the spirit, yeah. That's what I think to other people. I'm like, you're the one, you're here, you get to sweat. And you get to have coffee too. It's so practical though. You get to have, you know, you get to you get the reward of the life you're living now.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:52

So that's so good.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:53

But God is done. He did his sweating. He sweated on the cross, he did his thing. But now, yeah, exactly. God's not putting no work in for you. That makes me wonder if. Like, but God did hijack the system. He was like, I can literally compel people to become my sons. And then he's in control of them. Supernaturally. A lot of people think like you're in control. You're not. Especially once you get off the drugs and the stuff and the chemical. People don't understand how strong chemicals are. Like if me and you were bad people and we sat down and we had demonic knowledge, it would just tell us I can get people on different chemicals and God can He has a hard time getting to them. It takes a lot of it takes a lot of like intercession and and that's why we lose a lot of people. Why wouldn't God just wake them up? So we're like fighting a battle that has to do with chemicals. But once once um it's not a physical battle, I'm saying, but once God is inside of you, it kicks the other way around.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:47

Exactly. As he grows, those things get kicked out.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:51

Yeah, and your body literally changes. The pain, like you the pain, like I used to like have a pain in my body, it's because I had the longing for the father. And it like hurt. I was like, what? Like I grew, like I would like I'd sit in my dorm room and be like, Am I missing something? Yep. Like I'd see people partying.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:10

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:10

And I'd be like, I don't want to do my homework, but if I don't do it, I'd just sit there like, what am I? I'm missing something. I was so aware. I was like, okay, I'm gonna do a set of push-ups.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:19

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:20

It was that, and then as I didn't deal with it, it got worse and worse. I became the party scene.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:25

Well, because you were you were trying to numb it.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:27

Yeah, I was exactly. You start to try to like, okay, I'm gonna go somewhere else for it.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:32

So, you know, I'm just trying to function. Yep. Yeah, that's that fight or flight type of survival mode that people get stuck in too.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:40

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:41

No, but that that's so good.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:42

That's my heart for the guys. Like when I see guys who we know, like guys we know, you know, so if they see like guys like, you know, Antonio, Ronnie, Justin, guys we hang out with at church, that's what I, you know, I want to see them all just like swell up.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:56

Well, yeah. Because and again, it's it's it's what all of them is the physical, is what is the mental, is what is the spiritual. Like it's all it's all aligned and it all is connected. That's good.

unknown 1:08:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:10

I want to see that too.

unknown 1:08:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:11

I want to see, you know, I gotta you gotta be a doer of the word. You can't just hear it. You gotta go, you gotta go apply what you the truth that you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:20

So that's good.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:21

Well anything, sorry, I'd done all the talking. Not surprising.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:28

Is there anything that you wanted to add, Adrienne, as as far as like what you've seen and what you've gone through with the business and with building and all of that?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:38

There's been a lot of sacrifice.

Marriage Sacrifice And Quality Time

SPEAKER_02 1:08:40

Yeah, and that's the honest answer behind it. There's a lot of sacrifice, especially relational. Relationally speaking. Our relationship start like I mean, we've got grown, but we've also matured, and yeah. There's also been a lot of sacrifice, lots of late nights. There's working the business, just him, and then getting up at 7, 6:30, 7 o'clock, going to the gym, then going out and running estimates all day long and doing it all over again. Right. Six, five, six days a week. And and then it's very it pulls a strain on your relationship, but then it becomes to the it gets the fact, it gets to the point to where you're like, okay, we need to push through this.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:19

That's good. Yeah. So we end up Well because you remember that you're in it together.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:24

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:24

And I have I had a w I'm like, uh we're not alone here. Right. We have to we're going at this together.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:30

Yeah, no, that's good. So well, and people don't don't always think about that and how you know it takes the husband and the wife being in agreement of one accord to to be truly successful.

unknown 1:09:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:46

That's a huge point. I do, yeah. And with with our business, yeah, it's actually a reflection of our marriage.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:52

I I was literally about to say, I said, if something's going on in the business that we don't like it's going that we see that he sees, I said, what's our marriage look like? Yeah, you've told me that before. Yeah, I've I've I've pointed it out.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:04

She helps a lot with that. I'm like, what's that have to do with it?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:08

I'm like, uh our business is kind of the reflection of our marriage.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:12

Well, and the fact that you recognize that is is amazing because most people don't, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:19

Yep. Yeah. Well, I think I think that's all I can get off the top of my own. No, I think that's great. If I keep thinking, I can think of more.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:27

I just can't think of anything. I think that's great. I'd love to have you guys on again. I think that's it's a talk about this stuff. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:34

A lot gets dug up when you get around to talk to in this setting. So yeah, this is we should be doing this more. I want to start doing this, having people come in and talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:41

Yes, sir. I'll help you set up. I got another thing to add. Kem from Sacrifice. Yeah. He could you can attest to this. Sacrificing not just m marriage-wise, but also sacrificing the children. Time with the kids.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:57

Yeah, you gotta count the cost.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:59

There's a lot that like people don't see that. Well, you know, one one thing that And a lot of marriages end in divorce, especially whenever people are married, you're married to a hardcore entrepreneur. Marriages do not last. Unless you are like determined to make it work, it will not work. Unless it's also not God sending you.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:19

Well, one thing that will not work that being a stay-at-home mom taught me is that it's not about quantity of time, it's about quality of time and making those connections with your children. So, so going from you know, being a stay-at-home mom to working and all like it's it really is about the quality of the time that you have, yep, more than it is the quantity of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:40

Yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:41

Making those connections. I remember my um the best advice I got when I started homeschooling was um homeschooled. Oh yeah, my half-sister, she's she's uh uh older than I am, and she said, Gina, if you have their their hearts, they will hear you. And that has proven true. So it really is just about making those connections. You know, if they if they feel the connection, they're gonna they're gonna know your heart and they're gonna heed your words. Yep. Yep, yeah. Well that's good, guys. Thank you so much for for coming on. And we'll have to do it again. Definitely. All right.